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It was Holy Sepulchre Church and Abbey in Cambrai, the original did not survive, details are a bit obscure, but it would seem that the French Revolutionaries destroyed both of the original locations

I dont know, like he has aged, and with all the flights he has to take..

Why?

“The pastors of every rank and of every rite and the faithful, each separately and all together, are bound by the duty or hierarchical subordination and of true obedience, not only in questions of faith and morals, but also in those that touch upon the discipline and government of the Church throughout the entire world. Thus, by preserving the unity of communion and of profession of faith with the Roman pontiff, the church is a single flock under one pastor. Such is the doctrine of Catholic truth, from which no one can separate himself without danger for his faith and his salvation” (Dogmatic Constitution Pastor Aeternus, Ch. 3, DZ 3060).

Doesn’t sound very welcoming! I’ve attended SSPX masses for almost 25 years and this looks like a holier than thou attitude.

I dont see a point is seeking Francis aproval in any case

@@vasjapremerl7270because he is still the pope and this has always been the society’s position - they ask Rome.

@@Fundamentisdo you think they will obey Rome if Rome tells them “No”? No they won’t, so what is the point

​@@StAnthonyPaduaRadTrad Yeah, it really just seems like a show. The reality is that they will just keep doing what they want, regardless of what Rome or the bishops in whose territories that operate say.

@@StoaoftheSouth it’s not about ‘doing what they want’, but in fact doing what is necessary in this unprecedented crisis in the Church. I recommend searching for the SSPX podcast series on the crisis in the church to understand their positions.

Sadly, no. We are living in a post-Christian society in "the West".

Certain masses are more reverent then others the TLM is among them , your groveling obsequiousness to the church is an insult to faith and reason what other entity would you give that level of subservience too ?. The church by the mismanagement of the scandals as well as its other failures has shown it is not to be trusted. Why is this evil hireling obsessed with the destruction of the TLM ? with all the problems this is what commands his attention ?.

@@RickW-HGWTthe OP is using faith and reason too. Appealing to church authority trumps a conclusion that is rooted in disobedience.

@@javaman8895 Who is the op ? as far as appealing to church authorities they have destroyed their own moral authority with the scandals , the heretics , perverts and traitors that are infested there as well don't inspire trust , look at the degenerate fernandez and the filth rupnick as a few of the many examples of that.

@@mpkropf5062 if you follow who? the sspx is not excomulgated

@@mpkropf5062 You need to read Kennedy Hall’s book. Plus you are under the false belief that the SSPX are still excommunicated and in schism

@@mpkropf5062 They are catholics. According to the New Code of Canon Law, “The obligation of assisting at Mass is satisfied wherever Mass is celebrated in a Catholic rite....” I hope that settles your doubts."

Uronically, because of the ambiguous canon in the New Code regarding the fulfillment of one’s Sunday obligation (i.e., “wherever Mass is celebrated in a Catholic rite”) many liberally-minded bishops and priests will apply this in the “spirit of ecumenism” to the divine services offered by the schismatic and heretical Orthodox, but not to the Masses celebrated by priests of the SSPX!

Schism involves a refusal to accept the existence of legitimate authority in the Church. With the episcopal consecrations, Archbishop Lefebvre was by no means creating a schism." The act of consecrating a bishop [without a papal mandate] is not in itself a schismatic act."

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Who are rogues? Are those who follow Christ rogues? Wake up, you!

@@user-qd4sv3zi5bI won’t argue with you brother as I don’t want to give the devil the satisfaction ✌️

Marist. It is good that you are viewing orthodox Catholic material. Perhaps this will help you distinguish between Francis trash and traditional Catholicism. Pray for the Holy Father that he is converted and saved. What glory in Heaven to those that bring an errant Pope with them.

@@marccrotty8447 I believe you mean well and nothing I say will change your mind which is why I leave it all in God’s Hands. I was strictly TLM (SSPX) until my barriers to the New Mass slowly started coming down. I went from hating Pope Francis to truly believing that he is the successor of St Peter. I owe my conversion of heart to St Padre Pio and I can only hope and pray that many Catholics will trust God and His plans. Whatever happens, don’t let the devil rob you of your peace. In the end Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart will triumph 🩵

​@@Marist_Chanel It is highly unusual to find anyone moving from the Traditional Latin Mass to the Novus Ordo rite. One developed through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit from the Apostles onwards. The other was formed by a committee consisting of modernists and heretics over four years. Its purpose is not to give offense to Protestants. More than half the prayers are removed. One is the true Sacrifice of Christ on Calvary. The other a community meal. Francis and all Popes should fulfill the duties of that office. He is clearly not following Christ. Read his letters on: divorce and civil marriage, SSA blessing, banning of the Mass of All Ages, and more. Were you were called out by a tradition Priest for some issue or perhaps a sin confessed? Your understanding of Church Doctrine and Tradition should be improved. Attend the Latin Mass.

Absolutely! Necessity, and Economy. As Lefebvre said: "Excommunicated? By whom? From what?

"As long as the Society does not have a canonical status in the Church, its ministers do not exercise legitimate ministries in the Church…In order to make this clear once again: until the doctrinal questions are clarified, the Society has no canonical status in the Church, and its ministers - even though they have been freed of the ecclesiastical penalty - do not legitimately exercise any ministry in the Church." - Pope Benedict XVI

He says that but they just aren't. Vigano has been one of them from the beginning. Now he may be having a change of heart but he's far from Lefebvre. It's not even the same circumstance. Vigano has accused a lot of things he never proved. Lefebreve never said the Pope wasn't the pope either. He recognized that the faith was under attack and had to do what he had to do out of desperation. Just like now, the bishops are completely wore out, they can't keep up at their age and there is no other way. The SSPX is flourishing with good fruit and must continue to bring souls to God.

Been there, done that.

Yes - same here

"As long as the Society does not have a canonical status in the Church, its ministers do not exercise legitimate ministries in the Church…In order to make this clear once again: until the doctrinal questions are clarified, the Society has no canonical status in the Church, and its ministers - even though they have been freed of the ecclesiastical penalty - do not legitimately exercise any ministry in the Church." - Pope Benedict XVI

Incorrect. The SSPX is schismatic

@@timcusack9388 Summorum Pontificum from Pope Benedict gave authority to all Priests to say the Latin Mass (understand that SSPX was not intended audience). This letter was issued to comply with the SSPX reconciliation requirement that Priests be allowed to say the Latin Mass of their own accord. There still remained "questionable" Vatican 2 doctrinal statements (from a "Pastoral Council") that require resolution. One of these, for example, is "religious freedom" that contradicts Church Tradition. Other anomalies can be cited. Now, Francis (smell the sheep, merciful man of the people) trashed Benedict's letter. But at the same time granted authority to SSPX to conduct the Sacraments. "Partial Unity" is like being a "little pregnant." You either are or are not. So from Popes of Vatican 2 there are different standards and ways of thinking. This is "Protestant Think" and not the mind of the Church for nearly 2000 years. In logic this is a non-sequitor. Think about this. Attend the Latin Mass.

@@matthewschmidt5069 Consider spending many weeks of evenings watching the (long) SSPX "Crisis In The Church" series on UA-cam. Perhaps this may change your thinking a little bit. Attend the Latin Mass.

I plan to!

@@mpkropf5062Neither is Bergoglio.

That's called schism

@@mpkropf5062 Where do you get that idea?

@@mpkropf5062 Good to know you prefer soneone who rehires and pals around with abusive priests to Jesus. Good luck to you you will need it.

Trads aren’t Catholic but they’re “ own religion!” They go against the Church

@@mpkropf5062nonsense.

And yet, the SSPX has been, at best, ambivalent towards him.

Yes . Rome is dead and will not come back.

What are they waiting for? The approval of Francis? What if Francis doesn’t give his blessing on consecrating new bishops? Are they going to listen to him? They simply need to reject this non Catholic, consecrate new bishops (which they clearly need), and fight for the faith, or give up and submit to the modernists (if they really want their blessing). But waiting this long seeking approval from modernist, while at the same time fighting against them, is confusing and makes no sense

I am a regular faithful of the SSPX (Switzerland), and the SSPX priests have been told to prepare their faithful to the idea of new bishops. So we were told it will happen for sure they don't know when exactly yet.

I wish they would consecrate more Bishops.

Hopefully this year?